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這是關於此頁面的重要訊息。
此頁面正在使用結構式討論（又稱Flow）工具，該工具因造成許多維護問題而被淘汰。我們決定從wiki中移除此工具。
自12月16日起，您將無法再於此頁面新增話題或發布訊息。
在上述日期之前，您可以將此頁面移動至子頁面，將其存檔。一旦移動完成，原頁面將成為一般的討論頁面。
如果您在個人討論頁收到這則訊息，您可能在測試功能選單啟用了結構式討論功能。請檢查該選單，嘗試停用結構式討論功能。
如果您沒有在12月16日前移動此頁面，一個腳本會自動將此頁面移動至存檔頁面（格式為頁面名稱/Flow）。屆時，使用結構式討論的頁面將轉為唯讀。
如果您有任何疑問，請告訴我！
您好，由于缺乏维护和兼容问题，维基媒体基金会和社群有意弃用结构式讨论（又称Flow），现在使用结构式讨论的讨论页未来将转换成Wikitext（维基文本）。因为您的讨论页启用了结构式讨论，所以向您递送此消息。我们邀请您参与相关讨论，并建议您先行考虑关闭此功能。如有问题，亦可至互助客栈求助区留言。給您帶來的不便，我們深表歉意。
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Lamenzond just got renamed to be Hmgqzx and his/ her flow boards got left behind. The problems got back again.The error message shown that is ""flow-board" content is not allowed on page". I don't know whether it is caused by "the revoke" of "flow-create-board" from sysop (Special:群组权限) Could you please have a check and fix the mentioned usertalk page. Thank you.
I'm surprised. I've moved the page without any issue, using the usual system to rename pages. Haven't you tried that option?
No change in software has been made over the week end so that's not a software issue (in theory).
I tried to move Wikipedia talk:Flow tests and I got the same error message ""flow-board" content is not allowed on page".
Strange. I've managed to make the move using Special:移动页面/Wikipedia_talk:Flow_tests (where you can see the log). I assume you have used the same page to try your move? (I'm asking just in case, because I've already seen people moving pages a different way.) If so, I'll report it.
Yes, I am using Special:移动页面/Wikipedia_talk:Flow_tests to move the page. Moreover, you can see there is a log of moving the page made by me previously. I have asked another admin to try to move the page and they received the same error message.
Hey. It's long been true that sysops cannot do this. What is the rationale behind that? Can you perhaps point me to where this decision is made? Thank you.
Hello
The right to create Flow boards is global and
There is no formal decision, more a way to do things: at the beginning only a few boards were enabled on a few wikis. Then, different communities have decided to use Flow more and more. Nothing has been defined yet to give it to sysops (or another role) on the wikis. My bad, it is one of my tasks and I've postponed it since a while. :/
Can you ask other sysops if it is okay if all sysops of zh.wp have the right to create, move and delete Flow boards? Thanks!
I haven't explicitly asked the community about their stance on this, but I am pretty sure that most people agree the sysop should be able to do those things. I'll do a real survey soon.
On a related note, I have found a way to move and create flow pages as a sysop. I moved user talk:bluedeck/flow to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test with my little exploit. So in all actuality sysops right now can create as many flow boards as they wish and move them wherever they want.
I published this exploit in the local VP a while ago and a global renamer in our community, Wong128hk, I believe, uses this scheme to fulfill rename requests that involve moving flow talks.
I think there should be no problems to allow sysops on zh.wp having the right to create, move and delete Flow boards. And at least, I do believe that phab:T150572 should be resolved asap. Global renamers, other than coming from zh.wp, may not know that flow boards will be left behind while renaming a user on zh.wp.
@Bluedeck, can you hold the survey for a couple of days? Maybe a decision to attribute this right automatically to all sysops on all wikis using Flow as a Beta feature can be taken soon. That would spare time to your colleagues.
For the redirect, have you used this trick?
@Wong128hk, yeah, I know about that. :/ I'm time to time pinged when an account has been renamed but the Flow board hasn't moved.
No, that's not what I did. Here's my exploit.
Objective: move user talk:bluedeck/flow (Page A) to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test (Page B)
Procedure:
You were two to say it is a good idea, plus I had the same request from Wikidata users. We are going to give the right to create, move and delete Structured Discussions to sysops on your wiki.
I opened a discussion about this issue. While there's not enough involvement for it to be called consensus yet, someone said any unprivileged user should also be able to create and move flow in a way no different than ordinary talk pages. And it made sense to me. So, is this possible?
It would be possible, but I advice prefer to give the right only to sysops first, to see if there is a big need and if the creation process reveals issues. We will be able to move on to give that right to autopatrolled users (for instance) if everything goes well.
It works quite good for sysop to move the flow boards on this wiki. But it would be better if there is a log of page moving created on the page history, just like what have done on the other pages.
It is now possible to create, move and delete Structured discussions boards on this wiki.
@Wong128hk, I'll check this log problem you describe. On which page have you seen it?
"User_talk:A-Chinese-Wikipedian/Flow_存档_1" was moved from "User talk:A-Chinese-User/Flow 存档 1" after the rename of the user. There is a log created on Special:log/move. However, there should be a log created on the page history also.
Hello Trizek,
Are there needs to backup and archive data in our flow pages periodically just like other Talk pages?
Thank you and happy thanksgiving.
Hello Lnnocentius,
That is not necessary. Archiving is done automatically, you just have to scroll down the page to load old topics.
Happy thanksgiving to you too if you celebrate it! :)
"您好！
就像社群中的其他人一样，您也在使用 Flow。
使用 Flow 或考虑使用 Flow 的社群越来越多。尽管 Flow 本身在2016年并没有安排为主要研发对象，协作小组仍然对提供一个改进的结构化讨论系统有极大兴趣。
您可以通过分享您对于 Flow 的想法帮助我们在今后研发的道路上作出决定——什么应该有，什么不应该有和什么应该做出改进？
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感谢您对于 Flow 的意见和想法！
Trizek (WMF)，协作小组成员, 2016年9月7日 (三) 14:45 (UTC)
